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Poster: user unknown Date: Feb 28, 2008 6:37am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: RIP William F. Buckley

Some of the best lessons in life are learned from those who teach by example. Can we not learn as much from a "bad" example as from a "good" one? It is my sincere hope that at your "passing" there will be no one to utter the phrase, "Good riddance".

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Poster: William Tell Date: Feb 28, 2008 7:24am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: RIP William F. Buckley

Yeah, some of his writings, especially early on were down right scary...it does appear he had significant racist positions. He could be so articulate in other domains of a fundamentally conservative sort (some in a "good way") that you had to appreciate him at times. The other stuff was disturbing though...

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Feb 28, 2008 12:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: RIP William F. Buckley

Today on Democracy Now! Amy Goodman whips out a stinger from Noam Chomsky to William Buckley in this timeless short excerpt from a debate on "Firing Line" between these 2 in 1969. What Chomsky says in the final paragraph is PERFECTLY THE CASE we have today regarding the illegal invasion and occupation of Iraq. Haven't we learned anything in life?

Democracy Now! excerpt


Spacedface, who's "Hillary"? are you talking about Billary?

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Poster: William Tell Date: Feb 28, 2008 3:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: RIP William F. Buckley

Bingo Monte! For the benefit:

NOAM CHOMSKY: No, I don’t—well, no, I don’t—I don’t believe that. See, I think that—I think the point that I’m trying to make and I think ought to be made is that the real, at least to me—I say this elsewhere in the book [American Power and the New Mandarins]—what seems to me a very, in a sense, terrifying aspect of our society and other societies is the equanimity and the detachment with which sane, reasonable, sensible people can observe such events. I think that’s more terrifying than the occasional Hitler or LeMay or other that crops up. These people would not be able to operate were it not for this apathy and equanimity, and therefore I think that it’s in some sense the sane and reasonable and tolerant people who should—who share a very serious burden of guilt that they very easily throw on the shoulders of others who seem more extreme and more violent.

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Poster: billysmith Date: Feb 28, 2008 7:36am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: RIP William F. Buckley

Sorry but I wish could agree. I understand what you are driving at but I stand by what I said. To me this is one less racist infecting the planet and preaching hate to others. I never wish for anyone to die but I know the difference when things a better when something disappears.

Again, I understand where and what you are driving at but sometimes things are better without then with.

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Poster: spacedface Date: Feb 28, 2008 12:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: RIP William F. Buckley

I think it's good that the racist wish for Hillary to kick Obama's ass is a dream deferred.

Conservativism can be fine when it's actually providing stability with honesty, but mostly the people involved seem to have issues with corruption and hate.